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« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2009, 02:28:08 PM » |
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Louisville is an indie rock/hipster town. If you sound like whatever band Pitchfork Media is plugging this nanosecond, odds are you will do well.
There are plenty of artist in the Ville who are far far far from this genre and are doing well for Ville Bands. Too many people get stuck seeing the same bands and to many bands get stuck playing the same crowd. |
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« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2009, 02:38:13 PM » |
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I read this thread last night and have been thinking of a way to politely put this, but in the end I can't say it politely, so here it goes...
(Tekworld)? It fell because the scene couldnt be bothered to support someone who supported it...and there will be another, and another...because our scene is mostly selfish...it can't be bothered to actually visit the establishments that back our local music week in and week out...
everyone in here should feel ashamed for letting Bulldogs and Darren fall...
If you were refering to Tek about this statement you are DEAD wrong bro. Ask Van, or Steve, or ANY of the guys on this board that played Tekworld week in and out. We seen it weekly. Tekworld NEVER "Fell". Jennifer and Percy closed the doors on a last show that was almost sold out. On a BAD night.. you'd go to Tekworld with 150 kids and it was considered an ok show. Back then, the scene was at its finest. Jenn and Percy worked as/for doctors. Tekworld was for fun.. and they did it good. DAMNED good. They took a little loss over some years.. then started to make some profit.. and got out once it was getting so busy that they couldn't keep up anymore. They had other jobs. I appreciate everything Darren did for this scene.. but also I'm not blind to the fact that the sound was horrible, There is a pole in the middle of the floor. And alot of people would rather not see my band, ITC, AP, ect.. play in Bulldog because there was never a good sound going on. And I'm not Genre bashing because I LOVE heavy music.. but if your vocalist is screaming over blast beats and sweaping chords... then a top of the line sound guy really isn't as important as if you were trying to hear distorted guitars over clean vocals. The snakes and board were ran so confusing, it took John almost 3-4 hours to get everything figured out even after having to hook up his own stuff. And I was being his bitch, and it still didnt help!! Tekworld had a TRAINED schooled sound guy (who now helps DC productions sometimes I think).. Which was put into the school BY Tekworld. They also had security. Darren was an ok guy.. and knew his Venue wasn't top of the line. But just because the owner acknowleges the place sucks, doesn't make it any better. I'm sorry to see it go and all.. but I've seen atleast 30 places come and go.. and there are people on here elder to me who have seen more than that. And better. Good luck Darren. |
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« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2009, 03:23:15 PM » |
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Yeah I remember tek closing just cuz they couldn't do it anymore..they said if they could ever find the time they would do it again.. I remember one of the last. Shows being huge. ..some venues last for ever but most just die after time...just the way of the land
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« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2009, 04:12:02 PM » |
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If you were refering to Tek about this statement you are DEAD wrong bro
you took what I said out of context...if you look back to my statement, you will see that I said that tek world wasnt that great of a place, but that it worked because of the scene's support and the making it into a hangout
the next paragraph is where i picked up talking about bulldogs
but to what you said about there not being the time to manage it, and i'm glad that you brought this up, if tek was so successful and they were making money there hand over fist, why wasn't there any time to keep it up? maybe they had better jobs on the side? maybe they didn't? I dont know them well enough to speculate...
but I can't imagine as a business owner letting a profitable business fall because I didn't have time...there's more to the story than what you're saying...if you can't be there, you hire a manager if it's profitable
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« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2009, 04:27:08 PM » |
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Jay - I've known Jennifer for years. She worked side by side with a colleague of mine when they were at Humana. Like you said, she gave it up because it was taking up too much of her time and for some reason no one wanted to take it over. My colleague's son has a daughter who was in a band that played there several times. My former drummer also worked with Jennifer when Tek World was still open. She always spoke fondly of the club and was sad to have to give it up. When she got out of the business, she tried selling most of the PA gear to me because I was in the market. It was decent stuff as I recall, but for whatever reason, we passed on it.
Joey - I remember when the Tiger had a shitty PA too. The last time I played there the PA was KILLER. Loved it.
Most places we played had no PA or lights. Nothing! We supplied everything. Most clubs we play in today have nothing either. The exception is Gerstle's. In fact, it's the only place where the PA is supplied and we have to give the sound man $100. So nothing is free.
To the bands that played at The Bulldog and bitched about the PA... you got what you paid for.
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« Reply #46 on: December 21, 2009, 04:53:45 PM » |
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yeah Headcase. I loved those guys and they loved us. They'd call us to say Merry Christmas and shit. I miss them  |
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« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2009, 05:56:37 PM » |
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I agree that he has heart, i mean he had to, im not mad or think lowely of darren, i just hope he keeps it cool with this new place. My good friend played one of his hip hop indy shows and he waited for 2 hours, and then due to no promotion and the date being set a day before, there were 14 kids there, see my point? How can that not be precieved as an I dont care Attitude? Argue that point. those bands were not local for the most part a few drove from wetern ky and such, hours away. To play to 14 kids at a show that was poorly promoted, ive seen the kids, they are there. It just takes effort. I wish him luck and cant wait to see what he has made of this new place. Best of luck darren, Preston ... I guess it's about time Joey chimed in 
Darren has always had a soft spot for people in the scene. That hasn't changed. He likes to be around people having a good time and it made him feel good to know he had/has a hand in that. ... and there's pride mixed in there somewhere. BUT just because you want to do something doesn't mean that it's going to work out. Let's face it, he just doesn't have the business sense to turn a shitty building into a thriving venue. Places like this come and go and I agree, I'm surprised it's lasted this long. Inner Blue stopped playing shows there because no matter what we did we just couldn't get people in the door. Not a place for our crowd. Maybe it had something to do with the atmosphere. Well ... you can point fingers all you want and place blame but the facts remain ...
* Darren couldn't afford trained staff ... so there are many people who gave what time and talent they had to help for very little if any compensation. I would tip your hat to that before you condemn them for it. Ask yourself if you could do better, would you?
* Sound Equipment ... he put time and money into a place that wasn't going to get back. You got what you got when you could get it. He fought for a long time attempting improvements.
* Beer ... he struggled with underage drinking versus trying to appeal to an adult crowd. All ages shows and beer don't always go together without causing some problems. I wouldn't want to have to deal with that.
* Atmosphere. I couldn't tell you how many times he's asked for help. What would make it better? This is what I have planned ... do you think it will work? You can please only so many people.
I guess my point is that it wasn't due to lack of effort. This new deal in Brandenburg may do well because people out there are starving for it! Just depends on what Darren is able to do and if he can overcome the reputation that WE stamped on him. Right now ... I don't really think people in that area are going to give a shit as long as they get to hear some live music. Can you argue that point? Poll the guys from And the Armed and ask what their take is.
Closing Bulldog Cafe could be a great move for Darren. He needs to get away from it and if he's going to run this other place where people are looking forward to it than it will need his total focus. I don't see what's wrong with that. Will it work? I don't know but so far it all makes perfect sense to me.
The Louisville music scene is so saturated with bars and talent that we're always going to be stepping on each others' feet from time to time but I wouldn't be quick to blame the scene as a whole for it. Phoenix Hill ... as much as many can't stand it ... has thrived for a long fucking time and doesn't look like they're closing their doors any time soon. They cater to a lot of different genres of music now. Don't hate just for the sake of hating. Toy Tiger ... was great but I think a lot of the profit turned into nose candy. Tek World was a diamond in the rough. That place thrived and I'm not kidding. Jennifer and Percy have excellent business minds. They just couldn't handle it with other jobs. They wanted to make more time for themselves. They didn't make much with the place but their original idea to have the place open for the younger generation was inspired by their musician son. He's an accomplished pianist. ... after a while the novelty wore off and the stress was too much. ... but yeah Tek World didn't fail at all. I've seen more people in that place rockin' out than at Headliners or Phoenix Hill during it's time. Saying so is just ... well you just don't know.
If I have a point to make it's this ...
Don't hate or place blame on Darren, or staff, or the scene or the bands or the fans. It's a combination of things that eventually fell through. It was never a lack of devotion or effort on anyone's part. It's just high time for things to change ... and they are.
~ J
P.S. Headcase I remember that shit at the Hill. Hell I remember when the Toy Tiger actually had a "shitty" sound system and a "small" stage, lol
I Well played, Preston. However, promotion lies solely on the hands of the bands that are playing the show. |
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« Reply #48 on: December 21, 2009, 06:02:26 PM » |
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I disagree. If you have been invited as an out of town act to play a show in a town you are not from, then you would expect the PROMOTER to promote the show. That's what I see people around here do.
Look at Terry Harper for example. When he brings in an act from out of town, he promotes the hell out of them.
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« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2009, 06:06:58 PM » |
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Hell I can remember when you had to bring your own PA in the Tiger which is the way it was with most clubs. We used to have Billy Jones brig in one of his big rigs for that place.
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« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2009, 07:34:05 PM » |
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I wish every city had a Bulldog Cafe.
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« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2009, 10:05:54 PM » |
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Good luck darren, if you need help promoting just let me know. Good luck i will be attending as many shows as i can. Much love and respect (i believe in ya) Preston |
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« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2009, 10:08:34 PM » |
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Definitely Darren, I appreciate everything you've don't for me as a musician and would love to help out in any way. Good luck with the new venue man. You've got a lot of people behind you.
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2009, 10:24:03 PM » |
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Ehhh. A venue is a venue. Bulldogs had good intentions and Darren was a pretty swell guy. I know he helped me out a lot when I was younger and trying to get into playing music for a while. Nonetheless, it just kinda sucks to watch something like this happen.
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2009, 11:39:15 PM » |
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 New venue. I dig it! Looks like a cool place to put on a good rock'n'roll show! |
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« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2009, 12:58:50 AM » |
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were booking.
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« Reply #56 on: December 22, 2009, 01:17:46 AM » |
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Tekworld was good times. I know if we were looking for something to do on the weekend back in High School that would always be an option. We would always check out who was playing at Tekworld. Memories.  |
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« Reply #57 on: December 22, 2009, 01:28:16 AM » |
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I miss TEK WORLD!! |
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2009, 01:48:27 AM » |
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Get rid of the chairs!! Rockers don't want a sitting audience.
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The mind is the limit. As long as the mind can envision the fact that you can do something, you can do it, as long as you really believe 100 percent.
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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2009, 02:02:26 AM » |
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Again, if Darren (or anyone else for that matter) is looking to put together a nice in-house PA, let me know. I say this because the PA wasn't designed to be mobile. It's pretty much a line array of speakers built from a Bill Fitzmaurice design, but slightly modified. Each array contains 4 speaker enclosures and allows for mid highs from top to bottom. They're amazing and we've used this type of speaker enclosure many times with great success and lots of complements from customers who heard the PA. The subs are based on the Titan 38 design and when the drummer hits the kick drum, it will rattle the rafters. We typically only use 4 enclosures, but he has a total of 8. He also sells the Crest Audio power amps. If someone considers buying the speakers and the amps to power them, he'll give a good deal. He is a direct dealer for Crest Audio as well as Shure, Allen and Heath and has access to several other lines via the distributor. He uses Eminence speakers in the cabs built whenever possible and these are no exception.
So basically you could get a really nice FOH system for a fraction of the price of any equivalent system out there.
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